Comments on How To Avoid All Vaccines, even rabies vaccination.

My Service Dog Great Dane got lose while I was walking her, she ran across the street where a person had two very small dogs that looked like walking mops, she picked one up in her mouth, picked it up then gently put it back on the ground, No injury to it. 3 weeks later they reported to Animal Control & I was forced to get my dog Rabies shot as demanded from AC. I went to a local Vet and asked for EXEMPTION as my dog is 9 yrs. old and NEVER EVER HAD ONE SHOT, NEVER, I felt this Rabies shot would be like MURDER to her. I asked several local Vets and NONE would do EXEMPT why, no explaining, just NO NO NO. So I begged this VET to give low dose and clerk said it was a dose for 5 pound dog? I do not know if that is true or not. Me who does not believe in any shots, their immune system is working or it aint. Why must we be under the gun and be made to give shots? There aint no Rabies in California where I live, in cement city I call it. I have read all comments, we are all bound by Govt Rules?

I have two dogs that are subject to finding their way out of the fence and they absolutely LOVE to wander so I have then licensed through the county and, unfortunately, have to keep them up on their rabies vaccine. My other 3 are not vaccinated or licensed and never will be. If I take them to the dog park I switch the rabies tags from the other two and if anything were to ever happen, those pups names would change to whatever the pup with the current tagf would be. Fortunately I have one male and one female that is current on rabies and they are all lab mixes. Close in colors. I think I will just start naming my dogs all the same name and make sure they are close in the same color from now on. Gotta do what ya gotta do!

If theses diseases were so devastating wouldn't all the wild animals succumb to distemper, parvo and rabies? There must be some natural immunity to these diseases. Or populations of animals who are at risk would be wiped out.
Also why do some puppies in a litter die from Parvo when it is contracted and some puppies have a short bout of vomiting and diarrhea and recover?
We need to quit being afraid of losing a pet to a disease that we are unnaturally trying to save them from. Yes it sucks losing a pet to what the vets tell " preventable through vaccinating" but many times they contract the disease from the vaccination, or have a life long dis-ease caused by the vaccination, or worse death. Thanks but no thanks been there done that.
I wish we had a way to network amongst ourselves, to train to swap pet sitting, etc.

Hi, Love the info. Thank you. Just a quick question. Say these unvaccinated dogs get immunity from newly vaccinated dogs at the shows or where ever. Just wondering then, what if eventually people did stop vaccinating and your dog didn't get vaccinated, how would your dog or other dogs aquire rabies immunity without risking them coming in contact with a actual rabid animal. Love the science behind it and just wondering. Also, I have not been so lucky with taking rally classes with my boys. I am asked to produce a rabies cert each time I sign up. They are coming due for their next in Jan 2015 and I don't want to get it. Guess I won't be doing rally anymore :( Thank you for your thoughts. Katie

Interesting article. My 2 rescue dogs are 10 and 11 and neither one of them has been vaccinated for about 6 years now. I'm in the UK, and when I wanted to join both an obedience club and a fly ball club, I was told that my girl's vaccinations needed to be up to date and they wanted to see her vaccinations book - so there would have been no way to get out of that one. Interestingly enough, we then went on to do agility, and no proof of vaccination was even requested. It seems the agility world (in the UK at least) accepts that not all dogs can/will be vaccinated.
What I find particularly interesting about this article tho, is that you say that non-vaccinated dogs get their immunity from exposure to the faeces and urine of other vaccinated dogs. So in effect you rely on other people to vaccinate their dogs to keep your own dog's immunity levels up. That's a bit odd, isn't it?
And Suzie's immunity levels are fine, because her mum had been vaccinated, but a pup of Suzie's wouldn't be adequately protected because Suzie hasn't been vaccinated? So, again, in effect you'd need to vaccinate every other generation? Not really convinced about "how to avoid ALL vaccinations" when you'd be relying on other dogs having been vaccinated. Bit disappointing to be honest.
I attended a seminar by Dr Dodds about 15 months ago, here in the UK. Her recommendation was first puppy vaccinations at about 12 weeks old, as before then the pups would still have their mother's immunity (which ties in with your article), and then one follow up booster at a year old, after which people should keep an eye on their dogs' immunity levels by regular titre testing. I'll always have rescue dogs, but in case an 8 week old puppy ends up on my door step, this is the recommendation I'll follow.

I just finished my 3 yo Border Collie who is unvaccinated, raw fed and no grooming products. It can be done. Just read the premiums closely to see what you are dealing with.
Not once has my dog come home with the crud, kennel cough or some other nasty from a show.
Not once did someone ask for vax certs. Even when it stated they would. If someone is showing and has an unvaccinated dog I would stay away from state or county run venues such as fairgrounds, you will run in to more authorities looking at health certificates at those places.
I no longer vaccinate because I lost my first show prospect to what I believe was complications from a Rabies vax he had at 9 mos. he had gotten sick from it diarrhea , fever and lethargy for a fews days. I guess the vet treated him ( I didn't own him at the time) for it. Fast. Forward 18 months. He started attacking my older dog unprovoked, he had focal seizures, started head pressing , fearful he always had a bit of a problem but got worse, had trouble with his hind legs for moments then back to normal. He then had what I believe was a seizure and bit part of my ear off, j had been sitting on the floor petting him. Anyhow he acted like he didn't recognize me. I had to hold him down to keep him from biting me again , not sure how long I held him down but he started to relax slumped over and passed out. I had him PTS the next day, took a brow beating by the University vets for not trying Phenobarbital, and not taking him to a behaviorist, oh and I should try positive reinforcement training , that was until I pulled a handful of clickers out of my purse and laid them on the exam table . I will NEVER vaccinate another dog willingly, ever.

Wow - this is absolutely fabulous! Thanks to all of you wonderful NR breeders and Dr. Will for sharing this. Having owned dogs who suffered horribly from vaccine damage and also had much shorter lives, hubby and I decided 8 yrs ago to never vaccinate again.
Here's some suggestions to help with "proof of vaccines." If you had a previous dog of the same breed who was vaccinated, use their paperwork. If your state allows for vaccine exemption when the dog has a health issue, get it on record with your vet that your dog has a health issue (a new homeopathic vet is your best bet). Allergies are common. It can be any number of things, from dust to pollen or any type of food/meat. Chicken, corn, soy, wheat, tree or grass pollens are very common allergens. Adding a bit too much calcium to their food makes dogs itchy. Test this a few days or weeks before taking your dog to the vet to verify allergies and there's your exemption. "OMG, looks like Max is allergic to chicken or some type of pollen. This is a new development." Just refuse the drugs that Dr. Whitecoat will recommend or if you buy some, don't give them. Say you want to try a homeopathic remedy instead and have it written in the dog's chart. Allergy injections don't work; we tried those for over 3 yrs with our severely allergic dog years ago. If your state doesn't allow for vaccine exemption, write to your local animal control and whatever county or state govmt agency is over them. Explain the health condition your dog has and that every vial of vaccine sold states it's only to be given to healthy animals. Provide proof that this is in your dog's chart at the vet hosp. If they give you grief, contact your local press and every group like this one. I'll happily write a letter telling about all the problems our beloved dogs had from vaccines. Dr. Will is right...much of it's about having a confident attitude and knowing your subject. Bottom line is our dogs deserve to be healthy and not ruined by toxic vaccines.
We consult with a homeopathic vet who isn't in our area. Email or phone call works well. I highly recommend you consult with Dr. Will or another homeopath for your dogs. If our dogs need to be physically seen for something...like an injured paw, we have a local conventional vet but our records say in bold, bright red letters "NO VACCINES." We also never allow them to take the dogs out of our sight. We've known the head vet who owns the hospital for 16 yrs so that does help. He's allowed us to be in the back when our little guy needed his paw x-rayed. Turned out to be a sprain, thank God...after a fast and furious play session in our back yard with his fellow pack mates.

Kudos & thanks to Marilyn & Suzi for blazing the way for future NR show dogs! And thanks to Dr Will for writing this article & addressing the subject of the Rabies vax, openly & honestly so more dog owners can figure out how to try & make their way in the world with unvaxed thriving healthy dogs.
I am anxiously awaiting my own self bred NR Carolina Dog pup that I hope to show & compete with in the future. About 2 weeks to the due date! minimally vaxed parents, raw fed dam & will be weaned right to raw, never any vaccines or chemicals in on or around the puppies!
I have been contemplating the issue of showing without vaccines & the biggest issue I have found is finding a place to train, all the Kennel Clubs want fully vaxed animals only :( So I guess we will go as far as at home training will take us, unless or until I find some local NR show peeps to train with.
Anyways, thanks to Marilyn, Suzi & Dr Will for addressing this issue!
-Susan, Cooter, Daisy & (future) LuLu

I am a Canadian who travels back and forth to the US by plane and once on the ground in Seattle and we have to report to the agriculture office with paperwork showing the current Rabies vaccination. After losing our last dog to what I believe was a result of over vaccination, I don't want to go there with this one so I had his puppy shots and that will be it but I cannot figure a way around the Rabies documentation. They check for batch number and expiry date! Any suggestions? BTW, apparently they won't accept a Vaccine Titters either!

Thank you so much for the information. I wonder out loud if I can get my vet to give me a Health Certificate for my 9 month old Bichon who is the crazy healthy and happy to boot. He is a holistic Vet and will certainly ask now. Abby has gone thru one season and glad that is done now. I will though get her spayed at one year old as I do not want to breed her. She would make beautiful healthy babies, but there are enough Bichon puppies out there already. I just want to take her to puppy school and will need proof of the rabies vaccine, per laws. We'll see...no harm in asking though. I also ordered the Transfer Factor Canine Relief for my Bichon girl. Thank you so very much for all of the great advice you give to us 'natural' folks for optimum pet health. I truly appreciate every word you print...truly thank you.

I have a year old IG I'm trying to raise holistically. He's had just his puppy shots, is raw fed and not neutered. Till now, I've avoided Rabies and the new vet (practices some holistic approaches) ordered a thimerosal free Rabies for me, but I still am not feeling good about it. Any ideas to get out of it? My first IG (also related to my pup) didn't do well with Rabies. He was lethargic and contracted an auto-immune issue shortly after. Any ideas would be so appreciated.
All the best, Stina

I agree with the article, just saying, it's not always that easy. Any ideas?
Other than saying that you no longer have any pets.

I LOVE it!
And this is exactly what I hope to do when ever it is that I get my third dog.

Great article. Any suggestions for avoiding another rabies vaccine for a rescue dog? I just got a notice from animal control that she needs another rabies vaccine (was already heavily vaccinated when I adopted her) to renew her license and I really do not want to have her re-vaccinated.