Comments on Duration of Immunity and Rabies Vaccination

Hello again Doctor, you gave me the link to Homeopathic vets for my allergy GSD.
The one I chose who is 100% Homeopathic said she is not comfortable doing consults by phone re: this matter, pointed out another one closer but she is only 25% and frankly if the 100% one doesn't think phone consults are a good idea for allergies..................well, you know
So! My last question to you, she is actually causing sores now from her constant chewing & scratching, clearly what I'm trying isn't working.
Is there ANYTHING I can do to avoid Pred., to me an elizabethian collar is just torture at this stage............HELP???

Every time you purchase a prescription for a human medication and pet medications, there is an insert of 'informed consent' law, usually in miniature
print you need a magnifying glass to read.
NOTE: on the rabies vaccines, from the manufacturer it clearly states to
"ONLY VACCINATE HEALTHY DOGS".......what does that mean.......It means
1-) if your dog has a cold, he's not healthy.
2-) if your dog has an ear infection, he's not healthy.
3-) if your dog has fleas, he is not healthy.
4-) if your dog has allergies, he is not healthy.
5-) if your dog isn't eating normally or is over-heated or cold, he's not healthy.
Get the idea here? The vaccine manufacturers say Do Not Give to Any Dog Who is Not Healthy. Why, because ites suppress their immune system, and they will have reactions and side effects to their neurological systems and their entire physical systems. Once the immune system is compromised and the dog continues to get yearly vaccinations, their immune system will be destroyed.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?? Because it gives the vaccine companies a reason to not have to take responsibility for the damage to your pets. It virtually gives them "a pass on the vaccines causing the decline of our pets' health".
This Vaccine Safety Warning is indeed a true warning. If you give your dogs or cats any rabies shots even if they have a 'little snivel of a sneeze' they can get sick. And the vaccine manufacturers can say truthfully: WE WARNED YOU.
And in essence they did warn the consumer.
**Two more things to be wary of are poor diets for dogs.
On top of poor diets (read as fake dog feed like Purina and Pedigree) because it it not food, it is feed which is a lower grade of feed. And combined with a compromised immune system this will lead to the poor dog or cat becoming susceptible to many other illnesses and diseases. Which will shorten their live span.
Watch out when you're purchasing human medications, the full fold-out 'informed consent' sheets are being REPLACED by the CDC with a condensed version of a 'summary' of the benefits and risks of each medication. They have removed what they do not want you to see, and know this will harm, hurt or even kill some humans. But they'll get their profits even after paying out for any 'collateral damage' to any family for an injured, or paralyzed or dead child.
You are your pet's only advocate, be aware and prepared to protect your pets.

Without saying whether I have vaccinated or not I can comment that the best thing for a dog lacking any proof of vaccines is to be under control at all times while outside of your home or fenced back yard. Keep the dog close to your side when another dog being walked approaches. Stay out of dog parks and the cute little stores that allow your dog to shop with you. I have lived all over the US and I have yet to find any animal control entity that has the time to go door to door checking. I've even had to call animal control for a dog that was hit in the highway - took them hours and hours to respond. The only time you are going to get caught is if there is a bite situation - your dog got bit or it bites another dog. Don't take them to the big dog shows that allow you to bring your dog to try "My Dog Can Do That" or any of the other games offered. If your local grooming salon requires it - find another or learn to do it yourself - it's quite fun! Have a friend or family member dog sit if you need to be gone. Just don't put yourself in a position where you'll be required to show any proof.

The more I read, the more research I do, the more it becomes evident that the vaccines that ought to be protecting our animals is killing them, or leading them to a slow death. This is not only appalling, its heart breaking. When you love and care for your animal, you think you have done the right thing, but in effect you paid to injure him. Bad for the animal and how sometimes crippling for the pet guardian once they learn “Dr. Whitcoat” misled them to believe they were doing the right thing.
Thank you Dr. Falconer for demystifying matters in this article. I’d also like to make reference to “Vital Animals Don’t Get Heartworm”, available at this sit – a must read for everyone. This week I cried because I could identify with some of the symptoms presented in both articles regarding my pets. But I’m grateful that I know better today, and understand more. I wish I would have known sooner, I might have been able to save my pet a few years back.

I find the article fascinating but many of the comments that follow terrifying. I have been a breeder of show dogs 25 years, and I have been assiduous in investigating their care. I also have four degrees in unrelated fields from Ivy League universities. My breed is normally long lived but also plagued by DM. It is not a DM that has been previously identified through existing DNA tests, so I am certainly interested in any research on contributing variables. I also follow current vaccination protocols and with my vets permission have stopped re vaccinating dogs over 9 or 10. However, the statements here that people NEVER vaccinate for rabies are scary and comparable to those parents who failed to vaccinate their children for measles they endanger others. I scarcely think that all of the canine ailments attributed above to autoimmune responses to over vaccination are credible in the least. I live in an area of rural Virginia where rabid possum and fox are not uncommon and while I have high fences, I don't kid myself. Unlike measles, rabies is a death sentence. Should any of you animals bite anyone, if you aren't able to produce a verifiable rabies certificate, your animal will be killed. I think using good judgment at minimum means doing the minimum, complying with laws. I have 4 generations here (16) dogs total, all vaccinated on a schedule approved by my very knowledgable repro vet. I will wait for the results of the Rabies Challenge studies to confirm their theories before I endanger others - or my dogs.

Please do not get my name out there in social media about this! I did not realize my full name was going to be out there. People have to do what they need to do and I don't need problems.
Dr. Falconer, why don't you offer a service of getting your followers rabies certificates & tags? I would think since most of us believe what you believe and believe in you(& other true Holistic/Homeopathic vets) that you'd offer this as a service to us. I know I know about your license and not needing it revoked, but we need advocates out there for us & our pets so that we don't have to do some of the things necessary to protect our pets from over vaccinations including over vaccinating with rabies. We all know one core vaccine & one rabies vaccine can do damage to the immune system and cause horrible side effects, diseases and even death.
Just curious and hope you'll respond so can all figure out solutions to this problem. Thanks! :)

I've lost several dogs to what I believe was over vaccinating. My Golden mix got IMHA 4 weeks after getting the 5 in 1 and rabies vaccine at 8. He died a week later. I also believe that my lab/dane mix was sentenced to death from his rabies vaccines. He developed epilepsy at 3 years of age (possibly earlier, this is when I adopted him) and seized about once a month. A few weeks after his last rabies vaccine I noticed a lump near his shoulder. I took him in to have it looked at and the vet said, "oh, just a reaction from the rabies shot". That was before I had any clue about the damage over vaccinating does. Two weeks later his seizure disorder changed and he started clustering, something he'd never done before. He lasted 7 months until the last round of clusters put him in status and his heart stopped after 5 hours of sedation. He was 10 and healthy otherwise. Seven weeks after I lost my dane mix, I lost my Golden. She started dragging her hind feet occasionally. I noticed the nails dragging. She saw her vet and he checked for several things but found nothing definitively. She started having seizures 6 months earlier. She also died when she went into status and while at the emergency vet she had an MRI which showed a brain tumor. This poor dog also had a host of issues her entire life. She had hip dysplasia, diagnosed at 8 months old. She had OCD in her shoulder, Horner's syndrome and irritable bowel. I have no doubt that all the vaccinating I did during her 11 years brought on these maladies. Both of these dogs died unexpectedly. And in between them, I also lost my 14 year old terrier to lymphoma. That was a rough summer. It's been 3 years and I'm still not over it. So to anyone who says, "have you ever seen a dog die from rabies?" I'd say "have you ever seen a dog die from the rabies vaccine?" I have a 13 1/2 year old chow mutt and she's not been vaccinated in 5 years. I wish I'd have stopped earlier. I have an 8 year old yorkie/doxie mix who came to me almost 3 years ago and had previously been vaxed on the 3 year schedule. I won't list all of his medical issues as I'm sure I'd run out of my allotted word space. But he's not been and won't be vaxed again. I also have a 2 1/2 year old Wirehaired Vizsla who had a parvo/distemper vaccination as a puppy and one rabies at 8 months old. She will not be vaxed again either. I live in fear of epilepsy. I recently tittered her and she's immune and is 8 times the required amount for rabies immunization. I don't license. I've found groomers who groom with out current rabies, and my "sorta" holistic vet keeps them if I have to board them. I wish my state had a medical waiver.

My dogs were vaccinated with Rabies when they were younger before I knew about titer testing or that over vaccinating was an issue and really dangerous!!!
Since then I have old rabies documents that my vet sent over to me electronically in pdf format....I have adobe acrobat reader/writer so I can alter pdf documents....so now I just go in and alter the date that it is given and expires...has doctors signature in file already so I'm good to go and no more over vaccinating for my dogs. I've used it at my city hall to get them dog licenses with no issue... :)

Sadly we are in rural Ontario, Canada..........no Homeopathic Vets near here. We consulted via e-mail with both Dr. Dodds and Dr. Becker.
All the liver cleanses, natural antihistamines etc did nothing. I had to resort to Pred. for her sake though I hate it I can't allow her to suffer.
AllerPaws blood test allowed us to pinpoint what dietary allergies she has and remove them but the spray to desensitize her to the environmental allergies has not worked at all..........
So when it sadly began again recently ( earlier than ever ) we decided to try both Antronex by Standard Process, Quercitin, Bromelain & Pepain (sp?), lots of fish oil, coconut oil as per Dr. Becker. It has only been a week or so, but no results yet, fingers crossed it helps enough to avoid steroids.
If you know of a Homeopathic pellet to try too I'd love to know?
Wish us luck :(

I have 2 GSD's, they have been raised as natural as possible.............eat raw, no vaccines since puppyhood, no flea or heartworm meds etc....
A few years ago we moved to a farm, there were dead bats on the property. I got scared and vaccinated them for Rabies, thinking it's been so long since they were done last, no biggy.
Boy was I wrong, my female almost immediately developed severe seasonal allergies and my male began to stand odd ( hocks touching ) and would tense up if my female ran to him to play.
Thought it was a sore back, but Chiro adjustments didn't help. A year later he became ataxic and after over $4000 in tests he was diagnosed with DM.
The DNA test was A/A but I believe the vaccine triggered it, and it may never have emerged otherwise.
He is now fully down in back, incontinent, and needs a wheelchair to go outside. As soon as it begins to effect his front we will have to let him go.
And meanwhile my female has been on AllerPaws immunotherapy for over a year to no avail........I'll probably have to resort to Prednisone again for her sake ( then have 2 GSD's in diapers)
Biggest mistake of my life :(

You don't have to groom your own dogs to fly under the radar. There is a growing faction of mobile grooming called house call grooming where the groomer brings all their own tools, equipment and consumables into your home to groom your pets. A bit of extra vacuuming is a small price to be able to keep your pet safe.
Many mobile groomers who use a vehicle also do not require vaccines. Just ask the groomer when you make the appointment, "What kind of vaccines do you require Sparky to have?" The groomer will let you know on the phone before you ever make the appointment.

I'm a groomer( home based shop) and I have never asked a client for any rabies vaccine records or any records for that matter. I get my dogs all lifetime licenses when they are pups so my county/state knows my dogs are licensed. I've had 3 dogs over the yrs who basically had to be put down due to their backends giving out. The first two (Shepherd/husky cross and a husky) were more than likely way over vaccinated as we had some run ins with raccoons and skunks. I was advised to have them re-vaccinated to be safe. Now after reading all of this, I"m kicking myself. The third guy was also a Siberian. He was a rescue and so more than likely vaccinated upon intake at the shelter plus possibly as a pup and again possibly at a yr as my state requires. (every 3 yrs after that) So I'm guessing he had at least 5-6 vaccines over his 10-12 yr life. I also currently have two that are epileptic so wondering if that is also related to their vaccine history. With the dogs I currently have I'll be trying to stay under the radar one way or another.

My dog had a lump between his shoulders at a little over age one. I thought it was his microchip and read how they can cause problems so I had it removed. The pathology report came back full of the rabies vaccine. He developed a large filled sack at the operation site and needed antibiotics for weeks plus pain medication. I asked what I should do when he needed another and was told if he gets another lump well just cut that out. When I told a dog warden about this he said he would never vaccine him again and the Vet should have paid for the surgery. I have another dog with an autoimmune problem, dry eye. Another is hypothyroidism effected. My Vet said if someone gets bit I will be fined and my dog quarantined. I guess I'll pay a fine but hopefully my explanations will suffice.

Reading thru these comments, I find myself wondering....have any of theise people actually SEEN an animal suffer and die from rabies? If you had, you would reconsider your views on the subject. There IS rabies in this country...and likely in your backyard. Ive seen this virus first hand, and with more and more people refusing to even vaccinate once, you are making it MORE necessary! (and in turn, will increase the need for laws and increase in vaccination requirements for the rest of us!) Yes, your dog or cat can contract rabies even if they "only go outside on leash to potty" or stay indoors. I can tell you of SEVERAL cases where a rabid bat entered a home, one where a pet dog killed (i believe 3) rabid animals in their yard in one summer! If they had "lied" like so many of you, and never vaccinated their pets, then they would know the pain and horror of this virus. Their dog would have suffered and died, and likely passed it on to them, because im sure they would be against getting the post exposure vaccines for themselves...because..."rabies vaccines are bad". And even if they did suck it up and do them, they still might have died. I am not a fan of the current laws regarding frequency of vaccination, or the crazy amount we bombard our pets (and our children) with. However, they DO save lives, and never vaccinating, is just as irresponsible as over vaccinating.

I do have a question though. I thought DM in corgis was genetic. I thought they'd identified the gene for it and created a DNA test. Can it have 2 causes, one genetic, one rabies related?

Thankfully I live in a large enough city that they don't go door to door verifying your dog is licensed. So I don't license my dogs. That way I don't get sent reminders to license, which requires proof of rabies. On the rare occasion I see a vet, if they ask about vaccines I just say they're up to date, or have had all they need. I've never been asked for proof. My dogs haven't been vaccinated for four generations, which to me is 'having all they need.'

There ARE states that allow for medical waivers for the rabies vaccine. I wrote about that in my website. If your readers would like to see which states provide waivers. The link is: http://www.essentiallydogs.com/medical-exemptions-rabies-vaccine.

I don't know what to do.
Palm Beach county requires rabies shots. I had to move here to care for my 90 year old mom. The condo association that she lives in has demaned to see dog licenses . In order to get a license for the dogs you need rabies shots. One dog is 12 years old the other 8 weimaraners. I will not vaccinate them any longer. They were up to age 7.
And the condo association wants to report me to the county if I don't get them Licenses. I still refuse the rabies vaccination but will be reported and then what can I do ?
I have had a cat previously die after a vacination.
He had terrible convulsions and only lasted 1 month after being vaccinated.
Changes should have been made years ago and need to be made soon for the sake of our animals.

Autoimmune disease?
Try GENETIC DEFECT.
just ask any of the veterinary researchers who have been studying this disease (and only this disease) for the past 20+ years, devoting their careers & lives to this devastating disease.

In my city, the Law says we have to give the rabies vaccination every 3 years. We also have to pay annual dog license fees, which requires vaccinations to be current. I simply complete the form online and check the box "yes" that my dogs are current. No one asks.