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Jill Chambers

What really bothers me is vets who claim to be supportive of not giving vaccines, but when asked to write a waiver for the rabies vaccine, they refuse because they are afraid of losing their license. In a case where a dog has a positive titer, and numerous health issues that a vaccine could make her health worse (such as lyme) a waiver is certainly warranted. I love what Dr Robb said in an interview for the pet cancer series, "if you arent willing to risk your license, you dont deserve to be a vet"
I had 2 "holistic" vets refuse to give me the waiver so I could have my dog licensed, believe it or not I ended up getting a "traditional" vet to write the waiver, because he said "its the right way to do it" He agreed that the vaccine would be harmful to my dog as lyme is about keeping the immune system healthy and vaccines harm the immune system.

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Michale

Then you tell them you went to another vet or a free clinic for a shot. You do what you need to protect your dog.

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Cathleen Krueger

Anything we can now do to cure her?

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Cathleen Krueger

Dr. My cat seems to be looking off like she is seeing something, opening her mouth in an exaggerated way and rippling her back and then runs. My neighbors cat is suffering from this too. I have read of otherd. We were wondering about the topical flea medicine (we have since quit giving them), vaccinations or our food containing something that is hurting them. Help!

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Barb Lowden

My new vet knew I was against vaccinations. Took one of my girls in for her final booster of core vaccines only and I stated I only wanted the core vaccines and named them. Her tech came in with the shots prepared and I said hold on there. What is in those. Vet stated just the core ones I asked for. I specifically said for a third time ONLY distemper parvo adeno and parainfluenza. She said YES. I said absolutely nothing else. YES. Got my bill printed out and saw #5 vaccine listed lepto. I was choked. Ask for vet to call me...she said they use lepto to mix the others in. I pointed out that it was not a core and I had been very clear about nothing else, which included lepto bordatella rabies etc were to be given. Her come back was "Well I can't take it out now." I have never been back and friends who were going there were told what she did and said and checked their bills and found out that they too had been given lepto unknowingly. The bills didnt state lepto they had pharmaceutical initials listed like my bill did. Well she lost multiple clients over that. Her staff called me 1 year later to come in for vaccinations and I let them know that their boss was not trustworthy when it came to vaccinations and that they wouldn't be seeing my animals anymore. I now travel 1 hour one way to go to a trustworthy vet who agrees with the core only protocol. By the way I am now going to go with Dr Jean Dodds newest recommendations. Also I am in Canada and don't do rabies.

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Will Falconer, DVM Moderator

Hey Deborah,
You did great work with you last gal, and it sounds like you're up against the commonest chronic disease in dogs now: allergies, showing up as tortured skin. It's the #1 reason dogs get brought to vets, for over a decade now!
And yep, vaccines are at the root of this, so stick to your guns to do no more for life.
The answers to your troubles are in my free Apoquel Alternatives Report. You can find that on your Member Home link, or if you're not a Pack member yet, you can also find it on my most popular page, here.
All the best with this itchy gal. You are again on the right track.

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Deborah

A number of years ago, my rescue Yorkie developed encephalitis (probably YNE) a few months after her annual vaccines. Thus began my journey to learn as much as possible about species appropriate diets and the dangers of over-vaccinating. I began feeding her a raw diet and discontinued all vaccines. She lived another 4 years and I never put her on the immunosuppressive doses of steroids (the traditional treatment for GME and other types of encephalitis). She was comfortable until the end and didn't have to contend with the side effects of long-term steroid use which often kill before the disease does.
I now have another rescue Yorkie and she eats a raw diet and is on minimal vaccines (meaning she had them at the rescue group). My issue with her, however, is challenging. She appears to have flea dermatitis. I've tried every natural flea repellent/preventative that I know of--DE, citrus oil, apple cider vinegar, etc. Nothing helps. My vet (who while not holistic, does support my natural rearing) thinks she also has environmental allergies--grass, pollen, etc. I'm not so sure, but she's MISERABLE and scratches herself until she develops sores.
Against what I wanted to do, and ONLY to relieve her misery, I agreed to give her Nextgard, but ONLY during flea season. That worked for the fleas, but she's itching all year. So I finally agreed to give her the Apoquel he prescribed.
It seemed like a miracle drug--the sores disappeared, she stopped scratching and for the first time in 4 years is happy and itch-free. But when I began reading about it, I was horrified to learn that it suppresses the immune system, just like steroids.
She weighs 7 pounds and he prescribed 1/2 tablet (3.6 mg), twice per day. I have cut that down to 1/4 tablet once per day (and even skip a day now and then), but the itching is still under control. However, this is not a good long-term solution, but I am out of options.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. She's the sweetest little thing and it is wonderful to see her out of misery, but I don't want the "cure" to kill her.
Thank you.

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Tracy

Good Morning Doc,
Thank you for your article. We have three dogs, two older two hours that we inherited when my mother passed and a 13 week old French bulldog.
Nobody is vaccinated. My 14 week old is not walked around the neighborhood and kept away from outside animals. We do our best to provide immune building foods in his diet. My vet recommended that if I was going to skip vavaccines, I really did need to consider Parvo and Distemper. Naturally , she argued with me about the Rabies but she wasn't going to win that with me. Much to my chagrin , I agreed to Parvo and Distemper for the baby. When she was preparing them, I had a nagging gut feeling, almost a small panic attack, and I immediately said, "NO!"
I chickened out. She was supportive and understood. She explained how careful I have to be and said we could do it when I'm ready.
What are your thoughts on additional immune building practices I can provide my puppy? I had gradually switched him to a raw diet at 12 weeks and after he had a hospital visit and diagnosis of functional ileus, we took him off for now. I was also using a tablespoon of goat milk in his food in which they mentioned was not good for him.
Would love to hear your feedback and suggestions!
Thank you so much!!

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Jo Ann

Yes, it takes some time to select a Homeopathic Veterinarian. I went to the AHV site and put in certain selections for what I was looking for as a "Consulting Vet" meaning they do consulting over the phone and email. They do charge, of course. But, I found several in other states here in America because there are virtually NO Homeopathic vets here in Texas (of all states!)...except for Dr. Falconer and he only does teaching now mostly. He is not accepting any new clients.
I found one in Augusta, Maine and will have my first phone conference with her on Monday, February 6, 2017 ! From her website and her extremely helpful assistant, Kat, I do believe I have found a good one. She is 75-100% homeopathic according to her website. I have two dogs that were WAY over-vaccinated and are now paying the price with very itchy skin, paws,... they are miserable...two dogs...one 4 years old and one 6-1/2 years old. On top of that they both received Bravecto twice in a six months period of time in early 2015, just when I was getting their itchy skin under control with the use of a program called Nzymes .nzymes.com My third vet, who claimed to be "hollistic" said Bravecto was completely safe and would not harm the dogs...as the poison does not enter their organs...so she said. However, I now know it does harm the dogs by entering their bloodstream !!!
I did not discover about these harmful affects of what I now know as "vaccinosis" until late 2014, unfortunately and hope to get their immune systems back to normal so my "children" can live a normal happy life without constant itchy skin.
The homeopathic vet in Maine is Dr. Judith K. Herman and her website address is judithhermandvm,com You can fill out an application form about your pets online on her website. She has been certified by the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy (AVH), which is what you will want to look for in finding a homeopathic vet. The AVH website is www.theAVH.org and there is a "find a homeopathic vet" link on their website where you fill our certain criteria in finding a telephone consulting vet in any state, or in the world for that matter. There were 17 new graduates this past fall of homeopathic vets by the way. So, it appears, things are looking up for the homeopathic veterinary field. It needs to ... :-)

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EDMOND SWOPE

I have to agree with Debbie, 10% lies might be the straw!
I lost my loving friend and feline companion to cancer, the cancer formed
on the back of the neck, where the vet normally gave shots, and the vet
admitted he had seen this before. be aware that vaccines make money,
and buyer beware.

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Debra Trojan

That “holistic” veterinarian from Ohio, several years my senior"
is probably a "gatekeeper." First let me state that I don't believe
the vet trade organizations are just innocently naive about the
dangers of vaccination. They know vaccines harm/kill; therefore
they are E-V-I-L. There are indeed a group of evil elites on this
planet that aim to control the masses. This senior vet was put
in charge of "controlling the opposition." It's a classic tactic used
by "them." Everyone should be on the look-out for these disinfo
agents. They give you 90% of truth so you'll buy their 10% of
lies. . . lies that will detour from seeing the big picture!

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Sandra Mclean

I have the joy of having a double appointment with my vet having two dogs. He gives me the entire time to sit and have a chat after the exams are over. So I questioned him on it. We discussed what I had read about and he gave me his input. I now titer and with no disputes. Dr. Paul McCutcheon in a wonderful vet.

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nora lenz

Dr. Will -- I appreciate the degree to which you have strayed from your colleagues in veterinary medicine. It takes guts to do that.
However, being true to the real victims of the veterinary profession -- the animals -- requires going further. The term "holistic" has been used as a foil against conventional approaches, but it is as deeply flawed in the way it is being practiced. As people learn how harmful, arrogant, destructive and ignorant conventional therapies are, they are scrambling for another dependency, rather than taking the opportunity to declare their independence. I realize that you give people more of the latter than most vets because at least you embrace raw feeding, but you are still not cutting them loose to take full responsibility for their animals.
For example, you still seek to suppress symptoms by administering foreign substances. There are no curing substances. The body, and only the body, heals itself. The benefit of homeopathic preparations is that they are extremely dilute and therefore do not do the same additional harm that other so-called remedies do. However, they do not heal or "assist" the body. That's a belief system, like any other religion, and it has no place in any endeavor that represents itself to be evidence and reality-based.
The best way to approach disease is to remove the cause. The causes of disease in dogs and cats is almost always related to what they are fed. Proper feeding and therapeutic (extended) fasting should be the first tools utilized. Then, sufficient time should be allowed for healing to take place, with no remedial intervention except perhaps for the management of pain in some cases. (In those cases, homeopathic remedies are not often useful because of their ineffectiveness, but certainly since they are preferable to stronger medications they should be tried first.)
These methods work very effectively in the majority of cases. When they do not, then and only then can it be concluded that damage is irreversible and symptom management is the only avenue. In the vast majority of cases, unfortunately, these very effective methods are not used, even by so-called 'holistic' or homeopathic vets. Feeding mistakes are not corrected, assumptions are made that problems are due to genetics and/or vaccination, and treatments are administered which only compound original causes.
Homeopathic vets such as yourself are much closer to the truth than your conventional peers, but you are still far from the mark. On many occasions I have seen extended fasting resolve health issues that had already been treated homeopathically. Fasting and proper rotational or intermittent feeding are being ignored by homeopathic vets in favor of expensive preparations, because nobody makes any money from empowering people. In this way, the homeopathic vets are guilty of the same profit-motivated "I'm not changing, no matter what" attitude that you describe in your article above. If this is not true, and your mind is truly open, Dr. Falconer, I would welcome a dialog with you about my experiences with truly natural healing via therapeutic fasting and dietary modification.

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Anna Crawford

I have not read any posts about the bortatella vaccine. It is required by my groomer. I have been informed by my vet that they have recended the every six month dose to a yearly. What are your thoughts??
I recently took my precious Mimi (6 lb chihuahua) in and actually received no grief about not getting her "yearly vaccines" that were DUE.
I was shocked.

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Kathryn D Ladick

Reading all these comments about over-vaccinating is making me crazy!
I commented on another thread about my dogs Thunder and Rocky.
Thunder was over vaccinated with rabies vaccine and suffered from what the vet called Seizure Related Aggression. He passed way to early at 8 years old from liver failure caused by Prozac.
No one at the time ( 16 years ago ) ever told me that rabies vaccine would cause my otherwise loving basenji to go insane and bite me one minute and kiss me another.
My other basenji, Rocky is now suffering from Fibrosarcoma in his mouth. No one ever told me that rabies vaccine causes this too.
Every three years you go for a rabies shot, otherwise you can't get a license.
I must mention that I should know better as I'm a breeder and don't vaccinate my pups until 16 weeks as Dr. R Schultz says.
I do this because I don't wean them until 10/12 weeks and antibodies from mom are still present.
But, rabies is a different story.
The laws must be changed and one day they might be. What do you do until then?
I do feed a raw diet to my dogs and as they show and race, they must be kept in the best health.
I am doing everything possible to keep Rocky's immune system up so that he can fight the cancer. It has not grown and even looks reduced,so I'm hopeful.
NO MORE RABIES SHOTS FOR MY DOGS !!!

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Rachelle

I have learned so much already! The vet I have been using for almost 15 years isn't so "happy" to hear I wont be vaccinating or anything else. Any talk of doing otherwise is frowned upon. They have "package plans" now and if you chose something ala cart you pay more! A lot more!
I told my vet the breeder told me to wait until 6months for rabies and he said no, the law states 3 months (Texas). so....
I'm ready to take the natural vital path, just need to figure out where to start.

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Salli James

For some reason this topic keeps showing up on all my forums. Curious... Why all of a sudden is "Immune-Mediated Thrombocytopenia Diagnosis" Running so high? I am seeing this thread on many different breeds, do you see this often? Is there a place to get some information on homeopathic ways to treat this?
Thanks,
Salli

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anne

After loosing my beloved rescue red dobie to cushings I started to read and search. About that time there were several books out about raw feeding, Billinghurst, and Schultsze (sp? ) and Lonsdale and others.
When I met the new vet that took over the practice I had been going to I decided not to keep the fact that i fed raw a secret. After all, my dog, my money. I asked the new vet how he felt about a raw diet. Oh he said I am against it. Why I asked. Well bacteria and balancing the diet.
Well I have fed myself for several generations ( I won't even admit how many ) LOL and as for bacteria, well dogs eat lots of grose stuff and lick their buts so I don't worry about bacteria. Anyway this dog that I had just brought in for blood work, which was perfect btw has been raw fed since we found her and she is about 17 now. He looked at me in disbeliefe. She is raw fed and 17 yrs old? Yes I said, so the proof is in the pudding. Needless to say I found over the years I got less and less attenntion when I did need some sort of help. As for trying to tell them something that might be helpfull to someone else, forget about it. No one wants to hear it. Thankfully there is one vet that I go to for the rabies vaccine. When he pulls out he vile and seringe I just shake my head NO. He puts it away and gives me the certificsate.
My last several dogs are rescues and I know they have been vaccinated to death. They are on a raw diet now and no fle products or vaccines. Their coat glows in the dark they are so healthy. When we just went in for the annual checkup on my male dobie there was not much for the vet to do. She listened to his heart but admonished me to be aware that even though she didn't hear anything it didn't mean there was no problem. She knew I didn't to any vaccines or heartworm meds or flea products so she didn't even try to push them. So sadly she said I guess we are done and conscluded the visit.
I am so glad to have found you Dr. Falconer. I was in Austin over thanksgiving and may move there. I would certainly love for you to take care of my doberman gang.
Anne

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Lizzy Meyer

This post is in the topic of VACCINOSIS.
This is a story that I was reminded of recently and is one that has been on my mind to share. I am thanking a very special dog, Valentine right about now.
Val, a 6 yr old Brittany Spaniel family and hunting dog who was with me in high school back in 1997, was one of my greatest teachers. She had been annually vaccinated as our vet recommended.
A couple months after her vaccines, she collapsed in my bathroom and urinated a large amount of orange urine and could not get up. Her gums were white, she was extremely lethargic, and her abdomen was swollen. The emergency vet where I was working, diagnosed her with Evan's Syndrome (Immune mediated hemolytic anemia and thrombocytopenia). Basically her immune system was attacking her own red cells and platelets leaving her severely anemic and with blood that could not clot, leading to purple bruises all over her abdomen, ears, and gums.
Val went to specialists who prescribed chemotherapy drugs that I had to use gloves to administer (Immuran-azathioprene) and steroid (Prednisone) at high immuno-suppressive doses. We were led to believe this would manage Val and bring her to a good quality of life-and of course at the time they thought vaccines did have something to do with this-so no more shots (if she even survived this)!
Watching her pant non-stop, with a bloated abdomen, with no energy, and nearly white gums, Val was not enjoying life. She could hardly eat and did nothing more than lay around.
Thanks to the yellow pages (and a brand new driver's license), I found a homeopathic vet across Houston-she took Val as a case and prescribed glandulars (standard process) and homeopathics and educated me on a raw diet for her. She explained to me how vaccines caused her illness and she was pretty far gone, but we would give her our best try.
As it ended up, this was my first education into the holistic/homeopathic vet world. I knew NOTHING of that world. I read everything I could on vaccines, the immune system, questioned the "internal medicine Specialist" at great length and got nowhere. I got Dr. Pitcairn's book and began trying to help Val. It was too late.
I woke up early one morning in December and Val was dying on my bed. I was 17 and remember vividly how peacefully she passed as I petted her. As I look back, Val was my first teacher and started me and every animal in our home on a holistic path.
I was reminded of Val Saturday while at the dog park with my vital dogs in the making, Finn and Loma. We saw a woman with 7, yes Seven, Brittany Spaniels...and it began to sink in what a gift Val was for me and every animal I have met since then.
Later in college, I wrote my senior Biology paper on Over-Vaccination in the Veterinary Field. Vaccinosis. I am glad Val guided me to this early on in my career.
Thankyou Val.

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Abbott

Hello Dr Falconer (and avid subscribers). Thank you for this vital information that will help me provide better care for my best friend. I'm replying to this earlier blog-post because I just came to it via a link from Natural News (thank you Mike Adams / Ethan Huff) - folks who are very concerned about the damage vaccines can cause in humans, and leader in providing information on nature-based health. After starting with this post, I've read through others on titers, rabies, transfer factors ... Lot's to learn! I'll be back. And very happy to be #1399.
Best regards, Abbott

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